We have two types of glass; 2 oz mat glass that is 50 inches (1.27 m) wide and 10 oz woven cloth that is 60 inches (1.52 m) wide. The cloth will lay over the mat hopefully giving the finished project a smooth finish. I cut 0.2 inch (5 mm) strips from standard 2x4 construction lumber to use as battens to temporarily hold the glass in place on the hull. I used long staples from a standard T50 manual staple gun to attach the battens to the hull. My intention was to only place battens at the top edge of the sheets so the glass will hang loose and when the epoxy is applied, the glass will then be able to stretch with the aid of gravity. The two different widths will make this impossible to achieve so my next idea was to place a batten at the top of the mat and then at the top of the cloth and sneak the battens holding the mat (and covered by the cloth) out when I apply the epoxy. Greatest plans of mice and men oft' go astray...
The first step is hanging the two layers of glass (2 oz mat and 10 oz cloth on top). I made a vertical spooler for that shown below and discussed earlier. It turns out that the mat glass will not come of the spooler without ripping apart and large sheets can not be handled because the mat will fall apart under its own weight. I did not expect that since I've never worked with such large sheets. I expect that if you had 10 or 15 people handling it in a well coordinated manner you could make it happen but who has that kind of man power. So the first step failed and we resorted to laying the roll on a long table and cutting 10-12 feet (3.3 m) at a time and hanging those one piece at a time.
Spooler was useless for the mat and not that handy for the cloth. Your better off unrolling on the table . |
1) Hang the three runs of mat glass with battens on top edge.
2) Hang one run of cloth with temporary battens at the top edge.
3) Add another run of battens below the battens holding the mat in the first run.
4) Remove temporary battens holding the cloth and drape the cloth down exposing the battens holding the mat.
5) Remove the battens holding the mat (the new battens below them are now holding the mat) and undrape (straighten) the cloth adding permanent battens at the top edge of the cloth.
6) Repeat for second run.
7) Third run is on the flat bottom area and does not pose much of an issue.
Stylized cartoon of the sequence used to install the glass. |
Narrow strip of cloth being smoothed out and placed next to the keel stump. |
This is before I removed the covered battens. No way to do this during the epoxy application phase. |
Again, there are battens that will be very difficult to remove once the glass is wet. I'm glad I found a better way. |
May 19,
All preparation work has been completed. My crew of 5 met at the house at 8:00 am Saturday morning for coffee and discussion. We were working by 8:45.
We had one gal (my wife) measuring out epoxy and harder using a digital kitchen scale with a tare feature. This in by far the easiest and quickest method for metering out epoxy. One man was on top of the hull applying epoxy while two were rolling epoxy on the side of the hull from the ground. After the two on the ground made it to the midpoint of the hull, we switched one to assist with the top of the hull. I was assisting everywhere generally working seams and edges and assisting with epoxy delivery.
We started about a meter from the stern on the bottom. We started out pouring generous portions of epoxy onto the to part of the hull where it is fairly flat. We then moved the epoxy around with laminate rollers. Later we found that this was not the best technique. It is much more efficient to move the epoxy around with standard 9" paint rollers with 3/8" nap. The laminate rollers are slower and can dig in creating ripples that hard to remove. The ripples come from compressing the mat and glass. It is important to take care of the paint roller covers and keep them working. If they sit unused, they will cure up and get hot. It will happen eventually and you need to be ready to remove the cover before it becomes a permanent part of the roller frame. By cheap roller frames in quantity. Do not buy cheap covers. You don't need to buy the expensive ones but cheap ones will fall apart.
Always work toward the loose end of the glass. The glass stretches when it gets wet and there will be some excess you will need to move to the edges. I actually thought this would be a bigger problem than it was. Where the glass was draped nearly vertical, there were very little issues. Gravity helped keep the glass stretched.
This is from right before we began. You can see one batten exposed and right above another that is just under the overlap where it will be easy to remove. |
Similar to above. |
That is Alfred Kuhn on the left and me on the right discussing how we are going to proceed. |
On the left is Nick Robey and me on the right discussing the plan. |
I took a hand held kitchen mixer beater and put it in a small drill press set on the lowest speed (~800 RPM). It was a great time saver. Worked wonderfully and probably made the day manageable. |
Me demonstrating the mixer. This was a dry run with no hardener. I wanted to make sure the speed was correct and there was no splashing. |
It's not all work, work, work. When you get a creative, talented crew together, you had better expect a bit of fun.
Nick Robey doing a little clean up. I supplied acetone for clean up. Works fairly well. You still end up with a film but that usually can be washed of with dish soap. |
This our latest family member. He loves to give us a hand in the boat shop. |
Caroline Whetham hard at work. We used this floor squeegee to remove excess epoxy. It worked but it was easier to roll over the area with a dry roller. When I say a dry roller, what I mean is a roller where you have already used up most of the epoxy in it. It is not actually dry. |
We started out applying the epoxy exactly like you apply paint. That was what everyone was use to. Although this worked fine, it took many coats and a lot of mechanical work to get the glass wetted out completely. The more you work the glass, the more distorted it gets and the less it wants to lay down nice. We soon discovered that you want to get your roller almost dripping wet and roll only a short area without letting the roller dry. A small area quickly becomes saturated with epoxy and you move to a new area. Only after a section is saturated do you let the roller run 'dry'. Use the dryer roller move excess epoxy around and push the glass against the plywood. Remember, you want to see the weave clearly with no epoxy pooling on top. On the other side, the glass will turn clear (mostly) when it is properly saturated. There will be areas that turn milky and this is normal. There are also specks that won't turn clear no matter what you do. I think this is normal as well. If you have too much epoxy, the glass will float to the surface and leave a gap between the wood and glass. It will also leave a raised area that will need additional sanding and when you sand that area, you will sand right through the glass and leave a void. It is very easy to apply epoxy and fill the weave after the work is cured (or when it is almost cured and still sticky). At that point you apply the epoxy exactly like rolling on paint.
That is Al Kuhn surveying the work before beginning. The for legged guy is Fig. I think he's showing Al what to do. |
Just finishing the bow area. Everyone else is heading for the beer cooler. I'll be right there guys. Don't wait on me. |
We had extra epoxy made up so I rolled on a second layer where the epoxy was still sticky but set. |
Dog help is always appreciated. |
That is me on the left in the red shirt. I'm using one of the small plastic laminate rollers which is great for edges, crinkles and especially seams where several layers are overlapped. You can see that I'm working the edges. On the right is Caroline Whetham using a normal paint roller to apply epoxy to the field. Hey, we are almost at the end here. |
A crew has to eat and we had no time to take a break. We grabbed a slice when we could. |
We will make a few changes when we tackle the other side. I would like one more person to help meter out the epoxy, and we will rely more heavily on standard paint rollers.
May, 28
Time to clean up the edges and along the centerline of the bottom of the boat to prepare for laying glass on the other side of the hull. I am feathering the glass back about 3/4 of an inch (2 cm). I'll epoxy the fiberglass over the feathered portion and grind back smooth once it's cured.
Sanding the glass back 3/4" at the bow to allow overlap from the other side. I'm going to add up to 3 additional layers of woven glass at the bow to provide protection from the inevitable extra wear expected there. |
Feathered the glass back beyond the rounded corner on the transom. |
I had trouble with to small areas where the mat was overlapped. No matter how much I worked these areas, I could not get the epoxy to fully saturate the glass and the wood. I suspect that the epoxy was left too thick in these areas and cured just enough to inhibit saturation. I check these spots and others after the epoxy was cured by tapping on them with a piece of wood. Sure enough, you could hear the hollow thwack instead of the solid thud expected at these two small areas. Nothing to do but cut them out and re-glass those areas. I found it pretty easy to use a sharp chisel for this procedure. I went pretty quickly.
Just chisel around the edges and lift the bad spot out. |
The other bad spot. You can see some additional spots to the left and to a lesser degree to the right. I extended the cut-out to include these areas. |
I cut out a piece of mat and cloth to fit holes and saturated them with epoxy and laid them in. I actually wetted down the wood first to make sure that the wood and the edges were wet. You can see that the issues occurred where the mat was doubled (left) and quadrupled (right) on overlaps. The uncured epoxy was very thick here probably causing accelerated curing. I'll take extra care to remove excess epoxy in these areas next time. |
Lessons:
1) Be smart about hanging the glass. Keep overlaps to a minimum. Mostly they ended up around 2 inches (5 cm) which is good. There were some that were larger and these can be avoided. Make sure the glass drapes.
2) Make sure you have a quick and smooth method to measure and mix the epoxy. Next time I'm going to use two people and two mixing stations with their own scale; one for the epoxy and one for the hardener. Next to the hardener station I use an egg beater from a mixer set into the jaws of a small drill press set on a low speed.
3) Apply epoxy with a standard 3/8" paint roller starting near where the glass is temporarily fastened. Apply very liberally and keep the roller very wet until the area you are working on is saturated. It will turn very nearly clear. Then allow the roller to become 'dry' and go over your wet areas spreading the excess epoxy to new areas and pushing the glass against the plywood. The cloth weave pattern should be very apparent and there should be no pooling of the epoxy. If the epoxy pools, the cloth will 'float' off the plywood and leave a raised area. It will require excess sanding and expose the cloth.
4) Work the overlaps and edges with the laminate roller right after an area has been saturated. Work the epoxy through the glass until the glass turns nearly clear. Work edges until they lay flat. It's tempting to staple the cloth around the edges but this will tend to also lift the glass off the edge because the glass does not like to make sharp corners. Instead trim off as much as possible and let the glass lay straight down. Curves can be handled in that fashion. So if you need the glass to bend around a corner, make sure the corner has a good radius.
5) If the epoxy is still tacky when you are finished or if you have enough man power, roll two to three layers of epoxy to completely fill the weave and a little extra. Otherwise you will need to wash the cured epoxy with soap and water before you start the weave filling layers. These layers go on just like paint.
6) Trim all the edges with a sharp utility knife before the epoxy is completely cured. It will be a lot easier and you can ensure that the edges are properly seated against the plywood. If the epoxy is still tacky, you can always use a little fresh epoxy if the edge is being difficult about laying true.
7) Take your time and do not panic. Most mistakes can be fixed. Check the weather forecast. If it is going to be hot that day, choose another day or start very early in the morning. Try to have fun.
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